Sunday, April 13, 2008

I Went to Camp Baby and All I Got was a Lousy Nintendo DS Lite

I arrived at Johnson and Johnson's sponsored blogger event "Camp Baby" with the tiniest bit of apprehension. After finding out about the 1,4 Dioxane (possibly carcinogenic to humans and a known carcinogen in animals) in their baby shampoo last year, I'd lost faith in good old J&J. A company whose products I had always used on my kids was knowingly allowing a toxin in their product? They didn't care if they harmed my babies? WTH?

In one of our sessions, we had an opportunity to ask questions of, I think, a chemist and someone from R&D (forgive me, my notetaking skills are less than stellar). I didn't feel much better when I asked a direct question — "Do any J&J products contain known endocrine disruptors?" — and did not get a direct answer (which likely means the answer is YES). In fact, I got no answer at all. It was like talking to a politician — lots of words being spoken but nothing of substance actually being said.

Oh, and apparently we shouldn't be concerned about 1,4 Dioxane in personal care products because it's also found in shrimp and fried chicken (I guess it's a good thing I don't bathe my kids in those, either) and we must learn to weigh risk vs. hazard. It's hard to imagine that the woman speaking to us isn't aware of bioaccumulation, you know where tons of products have a teensy bit of something and you use them and take in those teensy amounts of toxins and hello? Now you have a LOT of those teensy amounts in your body. Very disappointing.

Later, a dietician who works for McNeil Laboratories (another company under the J&J umbrella) spoke to us about feeding our children, making healthier food choices and preventing childhood obesity. That last one was interesting because she actually recommended we make smoothies for our kids and sweeten them with Splenda. SPLENDA? FOR KIDS? Seriously?

But hey...over 20 studies show Splenda is safe. Twenty studies done by who? Paid for by who? Studies on humans? Or animals?

I'm sorry but fake food doesn't sit well with me and neither does the knowledge that Splenda, as I understand it, is technically a chlorocarbon, in the same family as DDT, Chlorodane and Lindane. Remember those? And yes, natural chlorine is found in nature and in small amounts is not harmful to the body. It's even found in some foods like tomatoes. BUT it's NOT synthetic chlorine and therein lies the difference. /end Splenda lecture

But it gets worse, the dietitian answered a general question about organic produce by stressing that they contained only slightly more nutrients than conventional produce (not accurate, BTW). She mentioned absolutely nothing about organic produce being free of toxic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers, which is the HALLMARK of organic produce. The nutrient levels are better but the reason I buy organic produce is because I don't want my kids ingesting POISON. How could she have not acknowledged that aspect of organic produce?

When someone asked about synthetic growth hormones in milk (rBGH, rBST), which are made by chemical behemoth Monsanto, she glossed right over it, more or less stating that we wouldn't be interested in all that stuff, presumably because we're just a bunch of ignorant, uneducated stay-at-home moms (also not accurate). Honestly, that whole session was maddening and disheartening. To me, it felt like a) she was really uneducated about actual nutrition and health b) bought and paid for by Monsanto or c) all of the above.

And now, to be fair, I'll flip to the other side of the J&J coin.

First off, let me tell you that J&J treated us really well. They did. And they're organized. Like SUPER organized. Things ran like clockwork; like a well-oiled machine. As someone who aspires to organization on such a level yet fails miserably, I admire their mad skillz.

Also, while J&J may not be 100% green, they are leaps and bounds ahead of many American corporations and one of the largest users of solar energy in the US, with beautiful solar panel arrays on top of all their buildings and, I believe, some wind turbines somewhere, as well. Additionally, they are partners in the EPA Green Power Partnership program. J&J does some other green things that I thought I would remember but don't. *kicks self* But maybe I can research it and get back to you?

On the public service tip, J&J is a financial sponsor of InfantSEE which seeks to promote and fund eye exams in children under the age of one to aid in early diagnosis of eye problems and preventable conditions. There are countless stories of the children this program has helped and quite possibly saved their vision and if my son were under age one, you can bet I'd be finding an InfantSEE doctor in my area STAT. As it stands, I do intend to take him for an eye exam a lot sooner than I would have before I watched the InfantSEE presentation.

And finally another feather in their public service cap is that J&J is a sponsor of Safe Kids Worldwide, a nonprofit group dedicated to preventing accidental injury in children here and around the world via legislation and awareness campaigns.

So, I'm going to close here and I'll let you draw your own conclusions. I hope this post was illuminating and that the folks from J&J will read it and get something positive out of it. And of course, thanks to J&J for bringing all of us together on this adventure. It was an interesting experience.
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The title of this post is an homage to those tourist t-shirts that say "Grandma went to (insert destination) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" but really, it was nice of J&J to partner with Nintendo to give each of us one of those evil little machines that has bewitched my entire family. Consider us indoctrinated.

14 comments:

Leeanthro said...

I give my daughter hormone- & antibiotic-free milk. I just figure why risk it? And organic veggies *are* better.

I was a little disappointed in the nutritionist for poo pooing the organic issue.

What else would explain why 9-year-olds are getting their periods?

And now I heart the Wii and I totally want one! Too bad I can't spend the money on it since I'm buying organic milk!

Leeanthro said...

Oh, and I choose not to give my children artificial sweeteners or consume them myself.

You know what they say: consume the least processed foods...

BethGo said...

Oh Good Grief!
Sidestepping annoys me.
So basically they said, yes we are poisoning your kids but everyone else is too. Here have some free stuff!

Gross.

IzzyMom said...
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IzzyMom said...

Durrr..I just deleted my own comment. Anyway, I was just saying to Beth that yes, it did seem kind of like their non-answer WAS the answer.

Judith said...

There's no correlation between organic foods and 9-year olds getting their periods. The main factor associated with early puberty is bodyweight. Heavier children (as we're seeing nowadays) reach puberty at an earlier age, completely unrelated to organic vs. non-organic food.

Feel free to buy organic milk, but be aware that there's no nutritional difference between the two, and organic production systems have adverse effects on the environment when compared to conventional production. This isn't in terms of pesticides but greenhouse gases, soil erosion, nutrient leaching and carbon footprint are all increased in organic systems.

Before you ask - no, I wasn't paid by Monsanto to post this! :-)

IzzyMom said...

Judith,

Soil erosion etc are, to me, not even remotely compelling reasons to feed my kids pesticide, herbicide and synthetic-fertilizer laden foods.

I made this decision years ago when I read a government report about newborn babies having environmental toxins, synthetic hormones and industrial pollutants IN THEIR CORDBLOOD. That is just absolutely indefensible and makes me sick to think about an innocent baby coming into the world already polluted.

In short, there isn't a single thing in the world that you could tell me, Judith, that would make me believe that conventional farming is a good (or sustainable)practice.

Mommy off the Record said...

Judith, it’s hard to believe you aren’t working for Monsanto after reading your comment. Contrary to what you have implied, there is certainly good reason for parents to be wary of exposing their children to pesticides and growth hormones in their food. Consider this:

1) Some pesticides and herbicides have been labeled as human or animal carcinogens and many are found in water supplies as well as in air and dust in homes. Many pesticides are endocrine disruptors; this is a concern for children’s exposures during susceptible windows of development. (Source: The Breast Cancer Fund)

2) It is well established that the fetus, infant and small child are typically most vulnerable to the toxic effects of pesticides and toxic chemicals (NRC 1993, EPA 2003, FSA 2003). The metabolism, physiology and biochemistry of a fetus, infant or child is fundamentally different than an adult. (Source: The Environmental Working Group)

3) Many pesticides are now considered "endocrine disrupters.” (Source: The Environmental Working Group)

4) The EPA is increasingly mired in complex and arcane scientific arguments, mostly generated by chemical companies, that serve primarily as delaying tactics to keep pesticides and toxic chemicals in the marketplace. With no end in sight to this stalemate, the consumer is wise to minimize exposure to pesticides whenever possible. (Source: The Environmental Working Group)

In short, you may be totally fine with feeding your kids milk from cows injected with hormones and food laden with poisonous pesticides, but don't make it sound like there aren't any health risks involved. I think it does a HUGE disservice to children everywhere to downplay the risks of eating food laden with pesticides. The sad part is that buying organic food is very expensive and not everyone can afford it. As parents, we should be demanding safe, affordable, certified organic food for everyone. And what we SHOULDN'T be doing, is towing the industry line that pesticides in our food supply is safe. Because that's a load of bull as far as I'm concerned.

kittenpie said...

I'm left wondering why you'd need to sweeten a smoothie at all? Aren't fruits sweet enough already?

Dana said...

"The main factor associated with early puberty is bodyweight. Heavier children (as we're seeing nowadays) reach puberty at an earlier age,"

Sorry, but I call BS. There is zero evidence to support this claim; furthermore there are/were tons of skinny girls (like myself) who got their periods in elementary school Exceptions negate a universal statement.

I'm taken aback that you would proclaim there to be "no nutritional difference" between organic vs. hormonal milk considering there are thousands of verified studies searchable via Google which say otherwise.

I was advised by MULTIPLE physicians and allergists to put my allergy-suffering child on an organic diet, all of who attested to the value of organic over chemically-treated produce and milk.

Lastly, nutrient-leaching and the sort are obstacles overcome by sustainable farming. It almost sounds as though you're advocating for pesticide use. Sustainable cultivation restores the integrity back to the earth. This is where I give disclosure and say that my family were one of the earlier evangelists of sustainable farming in my homestate and a relative proposed legislation in the mid-90s which gave incentives like tax breaks to area farmers who implemented earth-friendly practices - farmers who understood how good soil contributes to better nutrition. These methods actually combat the negatives you listed. At least they did in the countless studies presented to committee before the bill went to the floor.

That's the longest damn comment I've ever written. Great post, Izzy.

- Dana
maamalogues.com
(had to use my Wordpress acct to comment!)

Lee Grotz said...

Hi. My name is Lee Grotz - I'm the Director of Product Safety at McNeil Nutritionals, LLC. As a toxicologist (also a mom), I thought I should provide some information that might help. Sucralose, the no calorie sweetening ingredient in Splenda products, was subjected to an extensive safety testing program, including more than 100 scientific studies representing over 20 years of research. We did indeed fund much of the research, because we believe safety is our responsibility.

There is no cause for concern about the safety of sucralose due to the presence of chlorine. As you noted, chlorine is in everyday salt. It is also in a number of quite complex naturally occurring molecules. Chlorine is naturally present in many of the foods and beverages we eat and drink every day, things like lettuce, tomatoes, mushrooms, melons, lentils, and peanut butter.

The starting material for sucralose is sugar (sucrose) and chlorine is used to modify the structure of the sugar to produce sucralose. The chlorine in sucralose does not come free. Instead, it stays as a part of sucralose, which is largely unabsorbed and quickly eliminated from the body. The presence of the chlorine atoms in sucralose is what prevents it from being broken down in the body for energy, thus making it non-caloric. Chlorine atoms also give sucralose its exceptional stability for use in foods. Because of its stability, sucralose does not lose its sweetness with cooking and baking. Most importantly, though, sucralose has been extensively tested and found to be safe for our use.

I hope this helps. You can also see more information on sucralose on www.splendatruth.com or www.splenda.com.

Thanks,
Lee Grotz

Ed said...

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Grace and Peace,
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Carmen said...

Everyone, sing along with me!

"Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spammmity-spam!"

And now, back to your hormone free discussion.

Charlotte said...

You've got to be kidding! As a pregnant woman (first trimester) and hopefully a December mom, I really appreciate all this info. I've already decided to get all my baby products from J/A/S/O/N because, even if they're a bit more expensive, they're all plant-based and definitely safe (plus, I'm addicted to their products, as well).

I try to stick to organic foods as much as possible, and you've just given me several more reasons to do so. Wow, great blog!